A bad adult is not hateful in that way.

Do you recognize a "girl who makes you crazy" like Akari, or do you have any characteristics of a "girl who makes you crazy" that you have seen through your experience?

TsumabukiI think it's one thing to know if a woman is a good fit for you or not, but it's another thing to know if she is a good fit for you or not. However, even if you know, it is one thing if you are not immediately attracted to her, but that is a different story (laughs). (Laughs.) Even if you don't find the right match at all, for some reason you end up liking her...

ShibuyaI feel like I'm looking for a common denominator.

rootWhen you are with someone and you realize, "Oh, I'm looking for a topic of conversation," you've already lost (laughs). But being a "good guy" is boring in a relationship, regardless of gender. It is more stimulating to be a little "baddie. In my past experience, there were cute and good-natured girls, but I didn't find them interesting....

ShibuyaI think it is true that I am more attracted to a woman who throws a lot of balls at me that I am not expecting, rather than a woman who gives me responses that are within my expectations.

Does being an adult mean that you can see past such encounters with the opposite sex, or that you won't fall for them?

ShibuyaNo, I don't think it matters at all if you become an old man. In fact, I think it would be worse if I met someone after I became an old man (laughs).

rootI think that I will probably die without becoming the "proper adult" that I had in mind.　I think I will die without becoming the "proper adult" that I had envisioned. This is true for everything, not just relationships with the opposite sex.

TsumabukiI think it's true. I think that a man who chases after women all the way to old age looks cute to men, don't you?　If you ask me if I want to be that kind of guy, I would never say so (laughs), but I know that I am generally useless, but somehow that uselessness is endearing.

rootWell, I can't hate them.

Tsumabuki: Yes, yes, yes. So fundamentally, I don't think anyone is even thinking about becoming an adult.

rootI also check out new gravure idols as they emerge. Yuka Ogura or Rika Izumi, for example.

all of us: (Laughs)

ShibuyaAnna Hongo: Do you know Anna Hongo?

root: No, I don't know.

ShibuyaAnna Hongo is also good (laughs). I think she will be popular.

rootI'm crazy about Mimi Nakamura, who recently made her debut (laughs).

A tear-jerking scene by the original author, Naokaku Shibuya.

The women you photograph are cute and erotic, as in this film and "Moteki", aren't they?　In the materials you gave us, you mentioned that your theme was "how to photograph Kiko-chan in a cute and erotic way.

rootI was especially concerned about how to capture Kiko-chan's ass in an erotic way. In particular, I paid the most attention to how erotically I could capture Kiko's buttocks, yes (laughs).

Tsumabuki: (laughs). Because I was taking pictures of Kiko's buttocks with my own monitor, and then taking more pictures with my phone (laughs). (Laughs). And he even shared the pictures with Lily (Frankie). That's not good. No director would do that (laughs).

all of us: (laughs).

In this work, you also depict a kind of "work and love" aspect. I'm sure you've heard the common question, "Which will you take, me or your work? Have you ever experienced this kind of thing before?

ShibuyaI always cry during the scene where Koroki fails to fulfill his promise to Akari and misses the last train to Kyoto.

rootI think that's the part where I cry (laughs).

Shibuya: the synchronization between that scene and the real experience is too high.... I did a good job, you must read it!　I feel a sense of accomplishment and fulfillment, but I also feel sorry that I made someone I care about sad because of it. Even now, as I am talking about this, I feel like I am going to start crying again.

all of us: (Laughs)

rootI'm sure you have a lot of fun with them.　Like, "I've done a great job, but I can't share this sense of accomplishment..."

Tsumabuki: Sharing, huh.... But the moment I thought, "Oh, I can't wait for (this love affair) to be over," I realized, "Oh, I can't be with that person (woman)....

ShibuyaI'm sure you are the type of person who can make that kind of separation quite well.

Tsumabuki: Yes, that's right. Once you are pushed around as much as you can be pushed around, but once you decide it's not good enough, you are often selfishly heading toward the end. Well, the other party is responsible in no small measure for making that happen....

rootI think it's a good idea to have a relationship with a man. Love is supposed to be an even relationship between a man and a woman, but men are always getting mounted, aren't they?

Tsumabuki: I wonder if a mount as large as Akari (Kiko Mizuhara) would be atrocious (laughs).

rootI agree. It is easier for a man to be mounted to some extent, so he can settle on his own excuses for being able to do what he likes outside the house. But too much of it may lead to exhaustion.

The horror of LINE in romance and "A certain way" of being a woman.

Also, in the play, social networking services including LINE account for a large percentage of their interactions. I guess nowadays that is what makes it realistic, but for those of us of a certain age (around 40), it was even a little scary.

TsumabukiI know: it's scary. I'm really glad I didn't have that tool when I was young. I feel sorry for the young people of today who have LINE from their middle and high school days (laughs). Even if it's within a small community, you're definitely at the mercy of it when you're a student.

ShibuyaI think it must be tough not to be read. I sometimes dare not to read the manuscript when it is close to the deadline, but there is a tactic to it (laughs).

TsumabukiWhat? Are you working on line in the first place?

rootI've heard that there are a lot of people these days who want to work on line. I personally think, "I don't want to have such a serious conversation on such a flirtatious interface. Please hurry up with the manuscript!" followed by Dorami's stamp "Nice to meet you. Like "Pekori" (laughs).

all of us: (laughs).

As you say, LINE often does not convey the finest nuances, and the tactics used on the timeline may also be difficult for prehistoric men like us.

TsumabukiAkari is no exception, but it is amazing how quick a woman can be when she is angry.

all of us: (Laughs)

Shibuya: You'll be sick soon after, won't you?

ShibuyaI was like, "Wow, women are so physically weak..." I was so surprised when I was young. When I was young, I was very surprised by that.

TsumabukiI know we men sometimes get angry at women....

When you were with a woman you couldn't control, did you choose a different type for your next relationship?

ShibuyaI was once in a relationship with someone who said, "Suddenly the world starts spinning at four times the speed." Even when we were meeting alone, he would suddenly say, "I'm leaving because the quadruple speed has started. I couldn't share that frustration with him... (laughs). (laughs) But even though this is a rather unique case, there were times when I tended to go for people who were a bit difficult to grasp, even if I had the desire to go through the motions of "going through the motions. Well, in the end, that person dumped me, too.

rootI've only been dumped when I look back on it. It's not that I am incapable of rejecting someone on my own, it's more that I am the type of person who can't put together a clean breakup. Tsumabuki seems to be very solid in that area.

TsumabukiI guess so. If you ask me, it's true that it's almost only the amicable type.

ShibuyaNo, that's great, isn't it? I don't have anyone like that. You mean a friend, right?

TsumabukiNo: No, no, no, not so much as a friend.

Now that everyone is married and has happy families, is it also fun to be at the mercy of a "girl who makes you crazy" like Akari?

TsumabukiI'm not saying that at all (laughs). I don't want to be tossed around anymore.

rootI've reached a point where I've reached a point where I've reached a point where I've reached a point of no return. Most women are bad, and I myself only like such women. I think that the worse the sex is, the more attractive it is to a human being.

ShibuyaI think it's hard for me to be drowned that much, even though I drew it myself (laughs).